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[Dex]

I think the point was to show how similar they were, thus justifying that Nickelback sucks.

I still like them though.

[Inaaca]

Yeah, I mean... those songs still rock, regardless of the similarity.

[Captain Galaxy]

almightyvivi said:

Yeah, I mean... those songs still rock, regardless of the similarity.

This goes to show how mindless consumer America is.

[Captain Galaxy]

I don't like to argue. People get offended, bad sides get shown and everything could get really rough. I prefer discussing things and coming to an understanding. And I think I understand you Patrick.

[Inaaca]

You call it mindless to enjoy a decent song?

[Captain Galaxy]

I call it mindless to enjoy a decent song that you KNOW has been written by formula, has no creativeness, or artistic quality, and was written knowing that people exactly like you would enjoy it. It's acceptable liking their first song. It's like fool me once, your fault, fool me twice, my fault. And it demonstrates that people like to hear the same ol' boring crap over and over again, which is why green day is such a success. Where's your search for inspiration!?

[Inaaca]

Can't you just appreciate something for what it is? It's kind of stupid to hate a song because of something other than the song. Regardless of who the writer is, or how they got ideas, the only thing that matters is the final product.

You're entitled to your opinion of course, but you should look at the good and the bad before complaining.

[Muramasa]

vampyreheathen said:

I don't like to argue. People get offended, bad sides get shown and everything could get really rough. I prefer discussing things and coming to an understanding. And I think I understand you Patrick.

M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
A: No it isn't.
M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
A: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!

A: Yes it is!
M: Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes.
(short pause)
A: No it isn't.
M: It is.

Sorry, I just really liked that sketch.

[Muramasa]

almightyvivi said:

Can't you just appreciate something for what it is? It's kind of stupid to hate a song because of something other than the song. Regardless of who the writer is, or how they got ideas, the only thing that matters is the final product.

You're entitled to your opinion of course, but you should look at the good and the bad before complaining.

Unless of course that final product was made though the slaughtering of millions, the pain of trillions, and the annoyance of zillions.

[Captain Galaxy]

mysticmuramasa said:

almightyvivi said:

Can't you just appreciate something for what it is? It's kind of stupid to hate a song because of something other than the song. Regardless of who the writer is, or how they got ideas, the only thing that matters is the final product.

You're entitled to your opinion of course, but you should look at the good and the bad before complaining.

Unless of course that final product was made though the slaughtering of millions, the pain of trillions, and the annoyance of zillions.

Believe it or not, Anta is somewhere along the lines of what I'm thinking.

[Inaaca]

True, but Adrian said it himself, the song was made knowing that people would like it, and people do like it. There's nothing in existence that everyone likes anyways.

[Captain Galaxy]

almightyvivi said:

Can't you just appreciate something for what it is? It's kind of stupid to hate a song because of something other than the song. Regardless of who the writer is, or how they got ideas, the only thing that matters is the final product.

You're entitled to your opinion of course, but you should look at the good and the bad before complaining.

Yeah, and the final product sounds exactly like another one of their final products. Hmm, I wonder why. And I did look at the good and the bad. And you know what, there isn't much good to look at. It's kinda stupid when you don't understand that what I previously stated means that liking a song is not in your control. You don't understand what I am saying, Vivi; you're being used, (for lack of a better word.) Modern musicians don't write songs to entertain you, they write them to make money, there may be exceptions. Now, you may not buy CDs, but the subject here isn't you. Now what I am saying is that these songs are released to the consumer public, the most likely demographic being that of teenagers, who believe it or not will like any song just to fit in with their peers. These songs are also written using formulas (for example, "Hey our first song was a hit, let's write another just like it. It will surely sell because audiences don't know the difference"). A good example of this is Linkin Park, you know, all their songs sound the same, high singing with some "cool" rapping in it. You might say, well that's just their style. I'd say that's their formula; it was style when it was first released, it became product the second time. You even said it yourself, Sean, "final product." And you know what a product is? A mass produced "MANUFACTURED" object intended for sale to consumers. I'm not objecting to the quality of the song, I never said I "hate his song." I'm just saying that I'm not going to like this song because they expect me to, because I realize that liking this song would mean that I surrender my mind to their vices. The same applies to movies, books, etc. Now perhaps you've realized this too, and you could've just saved me all this trouble by simply saying, "Ok, I understand, I know they expect me to like this song because it is virtually the same thing they've released before, but I listened to it for myself, and found that I actually do like it."

As for not liking a song for a reason other than the song itself? What if the artist promotes racism? Hmmm? What if the artist is a morally incorrect person (pertaining to the listener's views)? I'm sorry but I'm not gonna buy the album of an artist that would rape or beat little girls. Sure the song may be good, and something doesn't have to be good for you to like it. But even if it is good, that doesn't mean I have to listen to it.

[Captain Galaxy]

almightyvivi said:

True, but Adrian said it himself, the song was made knowing that people would like it, and people do like it. There's nothing in existence that everyone likes anyways.

That's exactly my point, Sean, a point which you don't understand. It's like a dog you know, it likes bones, so you give them to him. You give him bones all the time, because he likes them. Same things with artists, they give you songs that you like, just rewritten in a new form, but still essentially, the same bone. It's another form of sterotype, more like prejudice. You'd give me a taco because you'd assume I like it. They'll give you the same crap, and you'll take it. And how do you know that people will like it, because they liked it before. Anyway, you can't predict if people will like something if it's all new? Can you? And even if you can, it's taking a graver chance that putting out something you know will work.

[Inaaca]

No...I understood what you were saying. My point was mainly that a lot of that external stuff didn't matter to me in the first place.

I'm being "used"? Is it really that horrible if I like the music that I'm buying/downloading/etc. anyways? Used or not, I'm still getting what I want, eh?

The artist does things I don't like? Well, that may give me a reason not to buy the album (i.e. not support the artist) but hey, if I like a song, I like a song.

Two songs by the same artist are almost exactly the same and sold separately? Well...that's uh...unfortunate... Yeah, I can't really say that doesn't suck... but regardless, it wouldn't cause me to like the song less.

Anyways, go ahead and "fight the power" I suppose.. I just think it's kinda pointless. If it makes you feel better though.. feel free.

I think I've said before that I have broad tastes in regards to music, so anything I hear that I like I tend to appreciate.

Anyways, my main point in a nutshell, based around my personal opinion: I judge and decide how I like songs on a case by case basis. I like/dislike songs based on the song itself, not by the artist that made it or other songs that are similar/dissimilar. I don't consider those things to be, nor do I think they should be, related to how I enjoy the music.

Ah yeah, and don't take anything I said the wrong way.. it's just my standpoint on the topic. Nothing is intended to insult you. For the most part I agree with you on what's going on, just not with how you deal with it.

[Captain Galaxy]

FINALLY SEAN HAS BEEN ENLIGHTENED! AT last I feel like i've done some good in the world! Well, he understands and he came out and said he still likes the song. Yup yup, it's all good, and anyway. Fighting the power is not pointless, cuz you know, the point is that I don't succumb to musical formula! You're not a musician you wouldn't understand. But I wouldn't understand drawing either so it's all good. I have broad tastes in music too, your tastes just extend to music that sucks. Anyway, I don't think the topic ever was whether the song is good or not. And music is enjoyed mindlessly, it's only when you look at it intellectually that it might offend you. Shane would agree with me on the example of the song "Closer" by Nine Inch Nails.

[Kuat]

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Since we are talking about rappers now...

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