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Post by Muramasa on Dec 19, 2006 22:19:47 GMT -8
Ok, some of you know that I'm working with a computer right now, and I needed to borrow a copy of Windows XP to format it (specifically, it was Adrian's copy). Strangely enough, I have 2 versions of Windows XP Professional edition. Does it usually come with two CDs, and if not, does it belong to anyone?
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Post by Inaaca on Dec 19, 2006 22:41:29 GMT -8
Might one of them be my dad's?
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Post by You probably can't touch this. on Dec 19, 2006 23:13:43 GMT -8
If you tip Windows XP on the side it looks like a silly face ahuk ahuk aaaaahuk.
*is no help*
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Post by You probably can't touch this. on Dec 19, 2006 23:15:28 GMT -8
They should name the next version Windows D:
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Post by Muramasa on Dec 20, 2006 0:17:34 GMT -8
Hey, watch it buddy. I've got your King Crimson CD hostagededed. Might one of them be my dad's? Hmm, maybe. Could you ask him if he's missing an XP cd? |
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Post by You probably can't touch this. on Dec 20, 2006 0:29:46 GMT -8
Which one? Red or Space Groove? I forget which one is lost amongst the masses.
If you like that Crim, I suggest you ask Andrew for a copy of the Can that I burned for him.
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Post by The Dankness on Dec 20, 2006 4:51:27 GMT -8
Which one? Red or Space Groove? I forget which one is lost amongst the masses. If you like that Crim, I suggest you ask Andrew for a copy of the Can that I burned for him. Now Anta shall see the mushroom head as well.... |
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Post by You probably can't touch this. on Dec 20, 2006 11:30:59 GMT -8
I'm gonna get my despair!
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Post by Muramasa on Dec 20, 2006 14:21:55 GMT -8
Which one? Red or Space Groove? I forget which one is lost amongst the masses. If you like that Crim, I suggest you ask Andrew for a copy of the Can that I burned for him. The album that I borrowed is Red. Does Can go under the artistic rock category as well? |
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Post by You probably can't touch this. on Dec 20, 2006 14:53:07 GMT -8
Hell yeah. Can is one of the better krautrock bands, which is the movement of experimental German groups like Neu!, Faust, and Kraftwerk that came out in the late 60's, early 70's (around the same time as Red).
While King Crimson is artistically dominated by Robert Fripp and is concerned mostly with progression and structure, Can is a more unconventional, less-focused group effort. For example, the lyrics in Red are perfectly intelligible while Damo Suzuki's vocals in Tago Mago are muttered and hard to distinguish.
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Post by Muramasa on Dec 20, 2006 23:52:19 GMT -8
Huh, more unconventional then King Crimson? That's fascinating. Though I'm not much of a music buff, how does Can get more unconventional than King Crimson, other than inaudible lyrics?
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Post by You probably can't touch this. on Dec 21, 2006 12:19:37 GMT -8
I guess "more unconventional" wasn't the right phrase. They're equally very unconventional. Can's tunes are all constructed entirely through free improvisation and editing. King Crimson, as you may tell, is all very preconceived and intentional. I guess I was saying if you hold structure as the convention (Nickelback's dogmatic structure for example: www.thewebshite.net/nickelback.htm ), then Can is one of the most unconventional as structure is improv and, therefore, completely different between each song. King Crimson's structure is not improved but is intentionally made different so this would suggest they are just as unconventional. For example, compare the song "Red" with Can's "Mushroom" ( youtube.com/watch?v=DYofXejk2BM ). The beat reacts to the vocals and vice versa, vocals react to the mood, bass moves it all along... very improvish. |
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Post by Muramasa on Dec 21, 2006 14:02:09 GMT -8
Interesting. I listened to some of their stuff, and it sounds pretty cool considering it is improv. (I watched the video for Paper House, and it kinda looks like everyone was waiting for the bassist to do something in the beginning) I do remember a while ago that I heard you say something along the lines that bass was necessary to follow a beat, so given that, is the underlying difference a matter of following whatever sounds good as opposed to following a beat?
On a side note, I wonder how their live concerts work.
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Post by Captain Galaxy on Dec 21, 2006 18:12:43 GMT -8
Bass and drum are supposed to work together, out of all the members in a band that likes to do improvisation, the drummer and the bassist have to be completely in sync and able to work well together, and aware of what the other is doing at all times, this is why they are called the rhythm section. Depending on what else you play in that certain band determines your position, if you are lead guitar you do what your title implies, and the rhythm section has to listen to where you're taking the music and vice versa. It seems like doing improv to record an album might be unorthodox, but bands have been doing it, with great success, since Led Zeppelin, there are times when you need to think about the music you write, and other times when you have to feel it out. Also, many bands that are instrumentally oriented do succesful improvs all the time when performing live: here is an example of a good live improv: youtube.com/watch?v=egFCHJC7TWg youtube.com/watch?v=KJj4uORutwcSame song, two completely different performances. The latter half of this song, after the third chorus, is completely improvised, with some earlier sections improvised as well. They like to do this every time they play this song, and every time it sounds different. This band in my opinion, has one of the best rhythm sections out there right now. Listen to how the rhythm section responds to the voice and guitar, as well as the keyboard in the latter half of the song. If you like this, I could let you borrow their live album, half of it is like, improv. Good improv. As for following the beat, the beat is something you never actually hear in music, unless you're talking about what the drummer is doing, which is keeping the beat. So I assume that you mean rhythm, which in itself can be something that sounds good, or conchordant. |
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Post by Muramasa on Dec 22, 2006 4:29:48 GMT -8
Ah, I see. I'll check out the links you provided later. (sound device is rather finicky on this machine, just needs a restart, but there's no point at this time) Anyways, thanks a bunch for pointing out the difference between a beat and a rhythm. (I didn't realize there was a difference) So, in the sake of getting back to the discursive direction of the topic, that would imply that the major difference between King Crimson and Can would be a planned but well varied rhythm as opposed to the more improvish style? And is Can completely improvised, or just alot of it?
And, back to the real topic at hand, Adrian, did you have two XP cds?
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Post by Captain Galaxy on Dec 22, 2006 10:35:45 GMT -8
Ah, I see. I'll check out the links you provided later. (sound device is rather finicky on this machine, just needs a restart, but there's no point at this time) Anyways, thanks a bunch for pointing out the difference between a beat and a rhythm. (I didn't realize there was a difference) So, in the sake of getting back to the discursive direction of the topic, that would imply that the major difference between King Crimson and Can would be a planned but well varied rhythm as opposed to the more improvish style? And is Can completely improvised, or just alot of it? And, back to the real topic at hand, Adrian, did you have two XP cds? Hmm, I don't remember, I think I only gave you one. |
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Post by You probably can't touch this. on Dec 22, 2006 18:24:20 GMT -8
So, in the sake of getting back to the discursive direction of the topic, that would imply that the major difference between King Crimson and Can would be a planned but well varied rhythm as opposed to the more improvish style? And is Can completely improvised, or just alot of it? Can usually improvs and then abstracts a song from it. King Crimson has a song and improvs within it. |
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Post by Muramasa on Dec 23, 2006 2:07:15 GMT -8
Ah, that's nice and succinct.
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Post by You probably can't touch this. on Dec 23, 2006 10:51:07 GMT -8
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Post by Muramasa on Dec 25, 2006 23:51:22 GMT -8
They do say "Vinyl only" though. How long do you think it'll get to CD form?
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